Yes, swapped with my 9mm compact. That is totally unacceptable. Some of the plaintiffs claim the pistol can fire without the trigger even being touched. Copyright 2022 The. Not just police in US had issues with sig p320. That a pistol will be carried in a way it shouldnt (say, in a gym bag or a purse). Sig started out rough, but a lot of agencies have decided that their modular chassis system is the way of the future. SIG is choosing to litigate their problems away. Someone is going to read this thread and be bewildered. A too light 1911 as some use in competition or God Forbid for carry- could jump the sear if dropped. Although if you have the RA, you may also have a pre-paid shipping label. That could happen easily. The standard P320 Compact magazine holds 15 rounds, but you can use higher-capacity magazines as well. The new trigger mechanism is less likely to fire without the trigger being pulled, making the P320 much safer to use. And have the dropping 320 go off? At least the Lion roars when he is hungry, the C.E.O smiles at you and when you turn your back he puts a knife right into it. They passed every state and national drop test requirement out there. selling the 365 with strikers breaking? He wanted TTAG to convey that hes pro-Second Amendment. If it was so bad, why did the US Marines, who had the Glock, drop it in favor of the carry sized P320, the M18? Possibly. This reminds me of when Gretchen Carlson sued Fox News for sexual harassment and she got 20 million dollars. One of the officers a few years ago was carrying his P320 in a P226 holster that he took a Dremel to make the P320 fit. Both FCUs work with all of the other kits / calibers. 3. P365/P365XL Striker Kit. I continue to bet my life on them. Hes like the arrogant star QB on your favorite football teamyeah, you would never want to spend a weekend with him at the lake cabin, but your franchise would be little to nothing without him. Since then I've done some searching on the internet and found people complaining about extractor issues. , 54 people all shooting themselves. For you X5 users, what powder and bullet set-up are you using to keep pressures low? Yes, even lightly polished the top and bottom to prevent binding. An x-ray (fluoroscope) of the mechanism in operation could show what, if anything, is happening inside the gun that might prove, or disprove, the contention that the gun is flawed. They didnt see a problem at all and in fact, saw it as an upgrade over Glock. Thats deflecting from the real issue. The extractor is marked "042; 00". Sorry for the long post but I just needed to vent my tale of woe. If you run into any issues, please call Customer Service and they will help you through the process. Asking for a friend. In stock. ALL OF THEM. On 320 based guns, make sure the ejector has not been bent up or otherwise damaged. BrianEnos.com Trust a P365 with your life. Sigs are crap! And precision swagged 125gr in .358. I sent thousands of these rounds through Glocks, 1911s, 2011, PCC, Tanfo Stock 2. with no issues. So far I have only heard of one instance (post fix) where there was an ND and the post mortem on the gun demonstrating a mechanical failure. This is what happens when you go with the lowest bidder. Did you try your other FCU with the 9F kit? If it were a lowered tier manufacturer like a Taurus having allegations made against them, people would run with it without thinking twice. I have had some self induced issues with feel since trying to go full length guide rod, 15# 1911 spring and Apex trigger. Like many of our readers, weve been watching the slow drip, drip, drip of lawsuits accumulate over the past couple of years against SIG Sauer. I have a 320 gen 1. Its just that with hundreds of millions of firearms in the hands of more than one-third of the countrys population including a lot of cops some number of negligent discharges will inevitably happen. Everyone knows Glocks are the absolute pinnacle of perfection and have never had one single defect ever! That prompted Sig Sauer to issue what it. At rest, cocked, it may very well have enough oomph to set some primers off. But it also has much worse quality control on the parts in my experience owning and working on both. Problem persisted. After some research, it appears the P320 Compact 9mm (and only the P320 Compact 9mm) has a known problem w/all weights of Blazer Brass. 2) The p320 does have a half cocked notch. Any gun, ANY GUN, that goes off as many times as the Sig P320 has and has been documented without a trigger being pulled is FAR FAR FAR from being a great gun. That a shirt tail or jacket cinch cord slips into a holster. I too think its ammo related. The list is long proving gun manufactures were well aware of this problem now for 121 years yet they abandoned this when the Glock infested the gun market. You need a lead that can be the lightening rod and not be afraid to make an ass of themselvesit give the watcher permission to take it seriously. Right. I'm relatively convinced that it's fixed. Glocks have gone off when people attempted to holster them and after they have holstered them, some times way later after holstering them like the fellow that got into his pickup truck. I removed the extractor assembly and cleaned it thoroughly. The pictures on the internet were enough to scare the shit out of you especially his wound in the thigh. Im reading about a moron who wraps a loaded firearm in a cloth and stuff it in a gym bag, and other dumb behavior that tells me the weapon isnt the problem but the user. If the latter were to occur, the drop safety would prevent discharge because it would not be pushed up by anything. I popped it in and headed down to the shooting range. This is actually another new Sig p320 RX, besides the 2 sig blow outs last match[emoji13]Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk. In 1982 the G17 hit the market and in 1983 they gave 30,000 pistols to the Austrian military at cost. You have entered an incorrect email address! The 1911 had one added, the FN 1905 had one added in 1906. Fired case is extracted about a quarter of an inch. Grow up, you aint all that! But when you're running at the raggedy edge, when you're running well into or over +P -- as many people do with super fast powders and super heavy bullets, trying to chase down the holy grail of soft felt recoil -- when you're at that raggedy edge, it doesn't take a double-charge for a catastrophic failure. Once word of that got out there was an avalanche of sexual harassment lawsuits against Fox news. Ejection problems can usually be traced to extractor problems. The HK VP70 was made in 1970 when Gaston Glock was making curtain rods. Thats why NY demanded the NY Trigger be installed on Glocks before theyd buy them. By Well today was a great day for the wife as she had zero malfunctions with her gun! Note that Harrisons comment about these claims possibly being the result of legal momentum were edited out of the longer Nightline version of the report. If there were a defect in 320's, it would be all over the web. It alleges that Walter Collette, Jr., a police officer with the Somerville (Mass.) About $300. If you cant get it working , call SIG and send it back. They have similar vertical sear engagement, but the M&P has more engagement width wise. and it did not have issues without the extractor. I would trust the intelligence of a Gorilla in a zoo before any one in the Far Right. But when you set a gun down on a table, and the damn thing goes off seconds after you let go, that sounds like a defective gun. Canadas highly-trained counterterrorism force, JTF-2, is the only military unit with the SIG P320 in its inventory right now. The fact the ammo didn't bother other guns is irrelevant, since every round is, essentially, unique. Sig P320 Extractor Upgrade and FTE Fixes FaRKle0079 4.49K subscribers Subscribe 7K views 2 years ago The P320 has been the most unreliable pistol I own, primarily due to failure to extract. Its pathetic how often these legal stunts work. The main difference is that the M&P never had the problem the p320 did with trigger mass. I was running 165 Xtreme RN plated with 2.7 of VV310. Just recently got a 9mm Full Size kit and it's driving me nuts. Hilton's $15 million lawsuit said, "there have been 54 reported uncommanded discharges of the P320," meaning the gun went off by itself, over the last five years in 22 states and Washington, D.C. Sig Sauer did not respond to ABC News' request for comment. I've been using 120 bayou .358 dia. Had it for 1 hour and had to send it back to Sig! Everyone remembers the problems the Beretta M9 had, but it got sorted and they went on to serve over 30 years. ! only reveals ones immature emotional attachment to an inanimate object, which reveals a pretty childish worldview. Fitting, gauging, and range testing. NHPR is nonprofit and independent. And people have a way of looking for ways to deflect blame for those discharges, especially when they stand to lose their job as a result. What a wonderful parody of a MAC cultist! This is the first time I have heard of the same happening with the subcompact. It was possibly a gun that had been ordered and returned, but could not be sold as new at that point. Sigs bid was low because they were still pissed after being beat by Beretta in cost. To me it was unreal, $600 to ask a question about WOK and a picture. This subject has two prongs; One is the negligence of those who have shot themselves with 320s through violations of Rule 2, the other the possible mechanical design failing of the gun. Posted: 12/6/2016 11:11:53 PM EST. Had a buddy, years ago, that was a deputy for Orange County in California. Either the gun is defective or its not. The linkage isnt, but the way the striker leg and sear face mate up, the two materials being MIM castings, the small camming action, etc. Note the addition of ominous background music in the second seven-minutes-longer version (there was no music in the Good Morning America version). A shame but then no one was hurt. Bagnell said he thinks the discharges are due to both design and manufacturing flaws on SIGs part. I don't shoot it often but yesterday had fte problems intermittently. Yaaay! He wasnt aware of it until contacted earlier this week by CBC News and suggested it was relevant in ongoing litigation in the U.S. We look forward to reviewing the incident in discovery in the United States, he said Friday. As for the Serpa holster, this is a bunch of internet echo chamber BS that originated with Obama-era federal agencies putting a bad light on a good product in order to sway public opinion and thus damage the manufacturers bottom line. You clanging a bell that went silent years ago. Sig Sauer P320 comes in an exposed hammer version for Military use. The most common problems with the SIG P320 X5 Legion are recoil spring issue, slide locking/FTE due to lack of lube, battery blowing out issues and outgassing issues. I still own them all. Some have suggested that this could have been aggravated by the lack of a trigger safety, as most other. He had to be reprimanded by the range officer twice for unsafe handling of his pistol. If you aggressively load a too-long mag into the pistol that doesn't hard-stop on the grip frame, this WILL happen. Theres a couple of possibilities. Sig actually states to never use steel casing ammo. The new suit is the latest in a string of similar cases that alleges Sig Sauers popular P320 striker-fired pistol has a design flaw that has led to unintentional discharges of the weapon, often while still holstered. While we dont have the actual numbers of similar lawsuits filed against other gun makers actually no one individual or organization seems to keep track of these things and gun makers dont want to talk about it it seems highly likely that every major firearm manufacturer gets its share of a regular flow of lawsuits filed by both civilians and LEOs who claim SHAZAM! Sounds like most of these cases were off-body carry. Yes (7) Inspected the extractor? NH food pantries expect rise in demand as SNAP benefits drop, Saint-Marc, tapped as federal magistrate judge, poised to make history in NH, NH AGs pursuit of hate group marks a turning point in officials response to extremism, Over 2 million more electric vehicles estimated in New England over next decade. Sig made a subtle change to the length of the extractor spring, and the geometry of the extractor claw. Then either the gun somehow managed to magically clear both the broken tab and foreign body to continue to operate. Sometimes you dont get what you pay for but now SIG has bragging rights. I have an M18 and I hope to find an aftermarket barrel that does not have the same design "flaw". If you did the same with a Glock or an M&P without the thumb safeties, youd get the same result. Each time this gun misfires, and fires without the users intent, it is not only harming that individual, but these guns are a risk to anybody around, said Bob Zimmerman, a Philadelphia-based attorney with the firm Saltz Mongeluzzi & Bendesky, which is representing the plaintiffs in the latest filing, and has repeatedly sued the company for other alleged injuries. The Collette suit, for example, lists 39 such discharges, all but five of which involved law enforcement officers. It isnt the beginner woodworker who loses fingers. But I just had a case blowout this afternoon. Glocks biggest problem is they havent innovated since 1985. ABC ran their story on the P320 twice, but with some significant differences between the two reports. In 2021 you would think a company would understand MIM metallurgy. The enclosed paper work says they replaced the extractor spring and plunger as well as polish the rear of the slide. But I can't depend on it for competition the way it is, so I guess that's what I'm going to have to do. . If the P320 was so great then why did special forces go to the Glock 19? I would have recommended what you said you already tried, swapping extractors with one that is know to be good. Watching all these Glock fan boys drool over these lawsuits in their tribal brand-lust is like watching the talking heads on CNN announcing Trump lost the 2020 election. Newington-based Sig Sauer is facing a new legal complaint from 20 individuals, including law enforcement officers and military veterans, who claim they were injured when the companys pistols fired without a trigger pull. Theyre the only product that is not. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Sig Sauer has settled at least one federal class action lawsuit involving the P320, involving pistols made before 2017, offering refunds or replacement guns to purchasers. The incidents occur outside the forbidden zone, as we disarm before we enter so we stay in assiduous compliance with their nonsensical requirement. All of my kits run fantastic, never a hiccup. Zimmerman said he is confident his plaintiffs will prevail in the lawsuit filed this week. Thanks to all for the advice. Looking for possible tips before she starts to get frustrated. I'm not sure how long it is really going to take. This pistol had about 700 rounds through it at the time of the FTE, all factory Speer Lawman 147g TMJ and Federal HST 147g JHP. To give you an example of early self-propelled lawn mowers if you lost your grip on the handles the mower would not shut off and it would take off on its own right down the street all by itself. ALMA- When I stated that I swapped the extractor with a knowen good one I failed to mention that I swapped the spring and plunger as well. People who know how to handle guns prudently and safely. Sometimes it would do the same as the above but it was under the extractor like it should be. It has worked flawlessly. Later when he was driving he shifted his weight and this caused the trigger to be pushed back further and it went off and shot him and the bullet then also blew a big hole in the floor board of this truck. Tried different ammo? Only issue with 320 was initially choking on first round when all 17 rounds were loaded in mag. My guess would be somehow you: 1. First, clearing a loaded firearm with a finger over the muzzle doesnt exhibit even cursory adherence to the Four Rules. Legacy slides will have either an internal extractor or a short external extractor. The pistol is popular with commercial gun owners and law enforcement south of the border. a. These lawsuits arent about Sig making a defective weapon, theyre about lawyers building a nationwide consensus in civil trial that makes it easier (and more lucrative) to soak gunmakers. I own Serpa holsters in multiple configurations (1911, Beretta 96, H&K, Springfield, etc) for most of the time theyve been around and I NEVER had an ND. Canadian soldier wounded by accidental discharge used wrong holster: SIG Sauer None of the current lawsuits appear to be in any way related to the now-fixed drop safety issue and most, if not all of the allegations seem to involve upgraded pistols or those produced after the drop safety problem was identified by SIG. I first ran about 100 rounds of brass through the gun, which was cleaned prior to today's range visit. I'll keep you all posted. Update: 6/30/16 Ordered a new Caliber X-change kit 9F about 4 weeks ago and have been using the new kit for the last 4 matches. Is there any major military anywhere that ever issued one of their guns? With the 320, the striker is in full-cock position, and held there through the operation of the trigger sear and the positive striker-blocking safety. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Feel free to contact me if you have any problems. I purchased my first and so far only Sig back in December of 2019, A P320 Carry certified pre-owned. That is the point of most of the video at the end of the article. You did get to sit and watch it with him, which leads to a serious question. Both were sent back to Sig and fixed. The Milwaukee police department has had 3 incidents of the Sig discharging while being in a holster sitting in a patrol car in 2023. They received it on 1/10/2018. Where is that defect now? This gun had been voluntary upgraded. Big public relations disaster and Sig tries a second time to get the piece of shit to work and not go off when dropped. The company has repeatedly denied the P320 is unsafe. Stoppage occurs any where from the 3rd round to the 10th round. Their visceral hatred for that which they see as competition to their little golden calf god and their blind, myopic, childish self-identification with an external dynamic is hilarious! You may have a P220, .38 Super with a carbon steel slide. It's this doohickey circled in red in the picture. Training and experience are not a talisman that magically prevents accidents. I sold that pistol when I got it back. The hype leading up to the P365 was pretty intense and the LGS sold a bunch of those. Theyve now come to the attention of the legacy media. Charlton posted to the online commercial forum Canadian Gun Nutz, describing the CBC News piece as inaccurate and promising SIG Sauer would release a statement. Sig Sauer P320 Extractor Spring . Have you ever put a handgun down with your palm in front of the muzzle? It takes time for any new platform to work the kinks out. True She didnt sue, but swore she would never own another Volvo again. All those customers who paid $1600 now had a limited function paper weight. TTAG talked to Bagnell, who told us that he wants it to be known that he is not anti-gun and doesnt want to see more gun control laws in this country. Its the expert who gets caught up in the routine and stops paying attention. MIM strikers made in India and put into Sigs. P365 / P365XL Striker Kit This is a factory Sig Sauer striker kit $57.39. In fact, I dont own ANY striker fired polymer pistol. The weapon had a history of going off unexpectedly when it was dropped at a certain angle. I dunno if its a case of lowest bidders blues or what. Police officers (maybe) do an annual qualification and thats it. This summer, the gunmaker prevailed in a suit involving a Hillsborough man who claimed his P320 discharged without a trigger pull. These cops seem pretty dang stupid if they put loaded guns in gym bags and purses with other stuff and carry them around, especially a gun that lacks manual safeties. 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